Should I be worried about the transmission? 3. If i went back into neutral, and then back into gear, the mashing sound stopped. Yeah so I'm looking for a 20 year machine on a budget! I would go for the X370. The old Kohler Courage is the engine that he is complaining about. Do all hydrostatic transmissions use these type gears? Does anyone make a manual transmission on a lawn tractor (54 deck or larger)? Simplicity uses all three. Both of these tractors are good machines and worth the extra $150-200 you need to spend. Paul, Ive read your review on the craftsman 20385 but on the sears site it lists the trans as a hydrostatic, not a cvt auto. Many people seem to have high-hopes for CVT transmissions. Most of the hydrostatic transmissions in lawn tractors do not have posi-traction or differential lock. He cut costs in the mold. It make sense that it uses the same components to save money in manufacturing. Craftsman has a few garden tractors that have the heavy duty transmission. It is strong enough for your normal suburban lawn but not strong enough for hilly properties. They have the same bore and stroke, valves and I think the cam is the same as well. Consumer Reports does list the Cub Cadet brand as more prone to problems but first that is based on just readers writing in and second the info is two years out of date. Other direction I may look is the 2014 Cub Cadets because I my 42 snowblower would still fit on those models (not sure which ones specifically, but its the 42 MTD snowblower that has been around for the last 10-15 years). and happy with the quality Id pay it. The max weight for the K40 transmission in a D130 is 650 lbs. This property will need to be mowed (either drop cutting or mulching). 1. (All the above have to be removed minus any rebuilding in this scenario) 4) Tuff Torq K66 50hr-200hr Oil Change Service. The 2001 looked bad but come to find out the only thing wrong with it was a bad battery and bad fuel. : https://services.generaltransmissions.com/en/?lang=en. (I always change the engine oil with synthetic, every year) Any recommendations for a new kid on the block? That said, The K66ELD has a locking differential so if you ever want to mount a snow blower on the tractor or you have slopes steeper than 10 degrees that trans has the best traction. It will take more abuse. 13. The engine, Briggs Vanguard, runs great and has been maintained well. 2. Hi Bob, I predict everyone will switch to EFI in the next 5 years. Turn Tight Automatic Riding Mower, Cub Cadet Lawn Mowers XT1 Enduro Series GT 50 in. The John Deere L130 and L120 transmissions are non-serviceable and have a low fluid level. would be great. Of these brands, Cub Cadet, Troybilt, and Snapper. The Red Craftsman, Poulan Pro and some Husqvarna GTs use the G730 Hydro-Gear. It has heavier duty transmissions and a deck that can handle rougher ground like your pastures. Paul, My tractor is a DYT4000 built by AYP, so it is a bit older than I originally thought. I am not going into the details of how each one works. The G730 is also bulletproof its faster than the other two trans at 7.5 MPH. The D130. @Dixie, The guys over at mytractorforum would be able to help you more than I can. I have a Cub LT46 XT1 which has 22HP and I cant imagine needing to put the larger carburetor on it for more power. JavaScript is disabled. (doing this right, requires some knowledge, and special tools $$$, but removing the engine requires far fewer steps than number 1!) By doing this I can get rid of my existing snow blower, tiller, etc Any recommendations as to what type of unit would best suit my needs? So even though it works after you change the fuse, the windings are failing and the problem will only get worse. They should be able to find parts breakdowns for the transmission. How many hours are you guys getting from a 40J transaxle. K46. We are stumped. The most common transmission for lawn tractors today is an internal pump and motor drive systemcalled the hydrostatic transmission. What seems to be the best value for what I need is the Troy-bilt Super Bronco 54 XP GT garden tractor. To stop, pull them back. All the models on this page will do the job for you. The reverse portion of the RS 800 is a high speed to very low speed gear reducer and the speed reduction is all done with gears. I would get a K46 or K57 from Surplus Center. Dont pull anything up the slope. Hi Randy, The 7-speed manual transmissions are not gear drive. Im looking at purchasing a Poulan Pro 42 in. If it is still working and you have an appropriate property and tasks for it, keep using it. Thanks for your insight and fast reply. Hi Steven, The seller is correct. If you use it more than that, I would consider the extended warranty. Maybe thats the best I can do? I read, I think, all your replies and did not notice anyone asking about Hustler Turf ZTM. Nothing heavier like the K66. You use your right hand to set the speed of your tractor, to stop the tractor and to make the tractor to go in reverse. Check the other wheel. @PJ. The rest of the parts tractors went to two handy guys who couldnt afford new and they used them to keep their own Craftsmans running. When you press on the left foot pedal you only release the v-belt between the engine and the transmission. I used Castrol as well, it was the only xW50 oil I could find at the time I did mine 4 years ago. Get a set of original equipment blades (from a Simplicity dealer) and compare them to your blades. If I could get 4 acres mowed for $35 ? It looks like some of the Cub Cadet GT and John Deere gt use the k58. Hi Terry, I dont know. Are higher RPM transaxles available without super high wheel spin? You can see the XT2 GX54 with Fabricated Deck at your local Cub Cadet dealer and you can read about it more here: XT2 GX54. Stage-5, Complete K66 Oil-Change Guide GT/TS, re-install fuel tank, and main body. So, if youre looking for a low-cost, lightweight transmission made for flat lawns or slightly hilly lawns where the traction tends to be good, your best bet is to look for the K46, which is found in lawn tractors. Hitch looks like it has never been used. They may be able to provide you with appropriate guidance. Could the transaxle handle it? I know I want a 42 deck, 22 HP, 2 cylinder B&S engine, preferably Craftsman. it is getting worn. I have a 2 yr JD with a hydrostatic tran D125 with 77hrs. Trans replacements are usually around $800 if you have someone buy new parts and do the work. Seems a bit quieter over the previous fluid. As of right now Craftsman is the only brand that has this CVT. It also has the larger tires and garden tractor frame. The DREADED Tuff-Torq K46 Tranny OK guys. In fact, I tend to have better luck with glass fiber housings than I do with aluminum. The 2016 Poulan Pro Lawn Tractors at Amazon are the best deal you can get for 2016. The batteries alsodrives an electric motor that powers a cast iron geared transmission for the rear wheels. I have had it about 9 yrs. You do not need to depress that pedal to shift the tractor. Lets try a couple of things though. I dont review and test them but I will tell you the local dealer is just about as important as the actual brand of tractor. K62: Simple basic model. Paul , is there any NEW info. I have never heard of anyone having issues with the K46 with traction control (the one thats in the XT@ you are looking at). The belt that drives the hydro also lasts longer than the one for the manual trans. Ill spend a few paragraphs going through each type so you have a better idea of the best type for you. 489 sold. I just checked Sears.com and the deal is very good right now. The old Kohler Courage V-Twins had a habit of blowing head gaskets and valve cover gaskets. Go here to troubleshoot your transmission and get help. Im not sure about the reliability of the website. Yeah I looked theyre black on the 2 auto models in store Are they the element v rs800-rt400 or is there another company making auto CVT these days? What kind of mower would you recommend? But there is one tractor left that I think will work well for you. It works fine though. I was looking through your top picks for 2018 and ran across the 25587. If you purchase online they offer Free delivery, an extra 5% off. It was made by Husqvarna and has the Hydro-Gear 730 garden tractor transmission. Thanks. If you want green technology, no gas engine emissions and 30% less noise on your lawn this is an up and coming alternative to gas powered lawn mowers. Hi Randy, it is a K46 but it has the properly sized deck for that transmission. Yes, all hydrostatic and CVT transmissions today have some poly or resin parts in them. Thanks for a great and informative website. The insulation around the individual wires of the coil fail over time and eventually the whole winding will short out (and catch on fire if you put too big of a fuse in the wiring). @Anthony, Yes, the 20374 is a light duty CVT that uses the variable speed pulley. My big question is, does the cvt transmission allow you to use the engine as a brake while going down hill? The hydrostatic drive started making a lot of noise this year. I need a garden tractor for hilly aerating in Georgia clay. What did you decided on? This is the transmission of the future because it uses fewer moving parts than a gear trans, can pull heavier loads than an automatic and uses less oil than a hydrostatic. Thank you! John Deere uses it on all of the D140, D150, D160, D170, X300 and X304. There doesnt seem to be many mowers to choose in this category. Despite its I-dont-even-know-how-many-hundreds-of-hours of neglect (including running on e10 for half of its life [not under my supervision]), the Kohler starts right up and runs healthily (more dependable than the much, much newer Kawasaki) and the HydroGear 222-3010 has been phenomenally reliable despite negligent use (ie towing uphill at full speed, dethatching at 1/2 engine speed, wheelies lolagain, not under my supervision). I will always recommend a pedal control Hydrostatic Transmission over a manual or an automatic for the new kid. Answer (1 of 3): TuffTorque makes variations within models to satisfy the equipment manufacturers. I have a 3 yo DT3000 Craftsmen that has been great. I would just drive and enjoy it for now. The stability and solid feel of the GT was enhanced by that repair. I will report back. you can bring concerning this issue, Ted M. Hi Ted, Yes, there is a lot of new info on the GT CVTs. Co., Ltd. Dec 18, 2018 / Info About K46 Thru K72 Transaxles. Your tractor does not have a clutch. To go left? And are made in Kansas. Correct me if Im wrong , you stated that this model had a K46 TUFF TORQ tanny & a K58 TUFF TORQ tanny . They all basically mount in the same spot but the linkages for the shifter and brake are usually what needs to be modified. Ran across a Husgavarna, which i see you dont talk much about, today. The MTD built manual transmission mowers today used a CVT belt drive with notches in the gear lever. Which one would you recommend since both of them have the same specs besides the size of the deck? If it is then I suggest going to General Transmissions and get the correct OEM parts for it. Either a fender mounted lever or foot control varies the speed and direction. Contrast that with an open differential, in which the left and right axles can rotate at different speeds. I dont recommend the T310 unless you have a flat lawn and dont expect to pull anything other than a small cart. Realistically, when youre shopping for a riding lawn mower, the transmission wont be the first factor you consider. Using one is very much like driving your car. My yard is a bit unevennot the manicured laws at Consumer Reports. Also, as all mowers get some bad reviews, Husqvarna has had more than their fair share of complaints. I guess Ive been spoiled by my old Sears Craftsman II. There are quite a few different belt guides and brackets that can trip you up if you dont get them all back in the right place. Each trans controls a separate rear wheel. Thanks again . If you want a manual transmission (a real one not an inline 6 speed) youll have to go to a sub-compact tractor. Which is better ? In fact I have not heard of any problems with one. The only sound you hear is the pump. The price difference is down to around $50, so thats not really an issue. Most lawn tractors, yard tractors, garden tractors and estate tractors in the last 20 years have an aluminum housing and inside that housing is the pump, motor, differential and drive axle. The Kohler 7000 is a residential engine. Any thoughts on the unit? Posted: Fri Mar 03, 2017 7:59 am Post subject: Re: K46 tuff torq transaxle T40 Indeed it does indicate the LT166 uses a K51. What does a locking differential do? Looking to purchase a second hand cub cadet rzt s46 with 426 hours on it. You should always order your parts through searspartsdirect.com. Ive been looking at the new John Deere E160/170, although they seem to only come in 48 cut, but have read that the transmissions may be a little weak on slopes and hills. The way the RS 800 is designed it actually has a lot more torque available to the rear wheels. I do not care for the decks that are cut away on top for a discharge chute . While its a tough tranny you have to have constant pressure on the foot pedal to make it go. The guys who race lawn tractors do this with MANUAL transmissions. The Ariens uses a Tuff Torq TRANSAXLE, T2-CDBE-5X1A-18C1, The 28884 uses a variable speed drive and the 28851 Craftsman uses the tried and true K46 Tuff Torq trans. Hi Kenneth. The K66 Upgrade Kit is a complete DIY replacement solution for your broken or . The specs look good. So they are not going to use the General Transmissions brand. So Paul, having read probably 100 comments and your replys, would I be correct in saying that you would recommend the Craftsman 20391 with a CVT transmission over the Pro Series 20442 with the K46? The problem is it is almost an on/off type of device. Hydraulic Equipments,Transmissions and Marine Gears, Foot Control : Dampening System or External Shock Absorber Available, Option (For Power Steering, Lift and Others) 6.9L/min, 31bars (450psi) @ 2,000rpm, Option (For Power Steering, Lift and Others) 9.3L/min, 31bars (450psi) @ 2,700rpm, IHT Transaxle series K (K46, K57, K58, K62, K66, K72), Speed control system can be selected between hand control and foot control, Cooling fan is optionally installed above the input shaft. I have about 4 acres, flat, not too many obstacles. New parts are expensive but readily available. I am considering the 4 year extended warranty. Thank you! They will be glad to help you. For grass collection, spraying/spreading, and general hauling/towing duties, I pull out my late-90s Craftsman 917-273061 garden tractor which dependably oversaw all jobs up until I got the Hustler five years ago. Hi Randy, Eventually you will learn to trust me and not some kid in some call center who last answered a call was about socks. The tuff Torq site lists the specs on a comparison chart. What do you think. The K46 is not serviceable. The speed control is on the left fender. They can be found on garden and lawn tractors. Craftsman 20407 48 24 HP V-Twin Briggs & Stratton with TurnTight Garden Tractor. The batteries alsodrives an electric motor that powers a cast iron geared transmission for the rear wheels. Very good info but I do have a question . Thats 150 lbs. But I want to replace these parts, but dont know what they are or what they do. 25-HP V-Twin Kohler. Ariens warranty states to contact Home Depot for the parts and HD has no clue on what to do. Great article interesting and informative. Lowes sent it to their service center and the service technician advised Lowes that the transmission failed along with valve covers are leaking and belts are worn. Are there any lawn tractors made today without the pedal drive? The K57 has some more features then the K46. Husqvarna uses the G730 on garden tractors without differential lock and the K66 on garden tractors with differential lock. (50 hours) If you dont use it on hills more than 15 degrees. 4. Hi Pedro, It depends on the size of your yard. Lets see if we can sort them all out. I just read some of the reviews on the 20391 and it seems a number of the reviewers werent happy with the RS 800 transaxle. (Everyone wanted Craftsman to sell a lawn tractor with a Kohler but no one wanted to pay the extra price). Here is the rest of the transmissions used: Tuff Torq TLT200A E110, E120, E130 The tractors were made by two different companies (the Toro was made by MTD?) Called Sears service dept and after 30 min they said the 25587 games a k46. But they do not have anyone at a call center or store that can troubleshoot your problem over the phone. K66. Im looking at the Craftsman T1800 (model #20376) with 42 inch deck and Koehler 20hp motor. Im thinking its either the transaxle or clutch. The single cylinder 20 HP Kohler is also a good transmission. bold up better. Paul, The second tractor is a dealer only model. This mower is very similar to his old one but it will have larger tires and a larger 48-inch deck. Increased ground speed. I'm moving to a home with roughly 3/4 acre, mostly flat, with lots of landscaping. How long has the industry been doing this? The upper injectors on the air box are the same connection design as the K46, but the lower ones on the throttle bodies are a newer design. To go in reverse put the fender lever in R and press on the right foot pedal. If you were potentially looking to buy a garden tractor sometime within the next five years (of 2015), what type of transmission would you most favor/wait for (besides manual)? A large lever on each side of the seat controls that side transmission. The first model is the XT1 GT50. That is the primary reason why zero-turn mowers cost more than the lawn tractors. Would you say that all machines sold today as Garden Tractors with hydrostats would have sufficiently-beefy units for hills, 300-600lb towing, ground-engage etc (Obviously, I wouldnt hold you to it)? The Tuff Torq K46 hydrostatic transaxle was used in many brands of lawn mower/tractors for a decade or more, and vast numbers of them have failed in the 100-hour to 200 hour period. This is the one I was leaning towards. Lynn Not every rear engine riding mower uses a hydrostatic transmission; some brands still produce rear-engine riders with gear-based transmission systems. Personally, I would go with the Fastrak. Background, in case youre curious: I manage between eight and 16 acres of residential terrain (mostly my parents), much of which is quite hilly. If you have questions then Ill be glad to assist. I purchased one about a week ago and it works great. 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